J4 vs J5 thread


Which one do you use and why? How can players choose wisely to improve faster?


you dont really need j5 until you start hitting the top end of skill and want to work on control
j4 is perfectly fine until then but feel free to use either. changing judge doesnt really matter much with Wife% conversions and MSD


Want better scores - J4
Wanna be a better player - J5


I think you’re getting a little too caught up in the initial hype. Very few people actually benifit from using J5, and those people are the ones who already have enough skill and accuracy to take away something from the nuances of the great window when limit pushing and reduce their sloppy play.

You need to work on this on default judge first before you can just jump into J5. Get more CBs than greats consistently when pushing on J4.


What if i disabled judgement text and time purely by feel?
Would going from J4 to J5 be of any benefit to me?
I’ve been considering going to J5 to improve my acc but since i don’t use any form of feedback (including error bar) i don’t think it would help much.


never tried J4


you should use j5 when you start getting more CBs (combo breaks (good, bad, miss)) than greats on j4, simple as that


i band wagoned onto j5 and now all my scores are j5


No, it usnt worth using J5 for acc unless you can consistently approach quad on J4. You will not feel the +/-3ms marv difference otherwise, and you shouldn’t be approaching 40ms for the greats anyway.

It will actually be pretty difficult to improve accuracy without feedback, I would highly recommend at least one metric (error bar is probably the least intrusive), so you can train and zero in your visual and audio reading skills.


Thanks for the replies, I have been playing with J5 for the past 2 days, but looking back at my scores, I’m going to switch back to J4. When I start getting good scores to make the switch to J5 will update you guys, hope it wont take too long :slight_smile:

Because it was brought up, how useful is the error bar to improve your acc? I have been playing with only judgment text ever since I started.


Best of luck! J5 is a potentially useful tool, and it’s good to know about it. Just be mindful of when it will benifit you, and really, don’t worry if it takes a long time to get to that point. It’s a pretty late game thing to consider, if you want to tighten your control. Keep pushing and working accuracy and control too, and you’ll definitely get there though!

Error bar is something you have to learn, but it has real power to allow you to understand just how accurately within a judgement you are hitting. You can determine when you are splitting, and when you are trailing behind or ahead of where you should be. I think the easiest way to understand the judge window, error bar, and making minor adjustments is to start playing some light chordjack patterns (like Oxicleaned, Nuclear Kimchi, Chordial Blitz) and try to hit them as cleanly as you possibly can. Doing this alone won’t massively improve your acc in all fields, but knowing what it feels like to hit accurately at all, and reducing splitting, goes a long way when you are trying to hone your abilities. You may be surprised to hear that spending some time honing control (97-99) and accuracy (99.75+) will be great tools for limit pushing when sprinkled into your sessions, especially when done on a wide variety of patterning. Yes, even if the files are way below your overall skill rating.


relevancy bump


J5 for life

Real men play J1 and then upscale to J4 though for that 300 ms bad window